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Title: Illusionary
Author: Evandar
Rating: R
Pairings: Harry/Ginny
Warnings: Spousal and child abuse, rape, dark!Ginny
Disclaimer: Harry Potter characters are the property of J.K. Rowling and Bloomsbury/Scholastic. No profit is being made, and no copyright infringement is intended.
Summary: Funny how little things become sinister with hindsight. Harry really should have paid more attention to what Mrs Weasley taught her daughter about relationships – and what his relationship was doing to his children.
A/N: Thank you again to Sian for the beta. This was written as a pinch-hit for![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-community.gif)
hp_darkarts's 2014 Horror Fest for the prompt there’s an age old dictum that children from abusive households are more likely to fall in abusive relationships. Someone unexpected (Theodore Nott or Vincent Crabbe) helps Harry leave. This prompt took me far, far out of my comfort zone and triggered more than a few bad memories on the way, but turned out being extremely therapeutic to write. I hope I did the prompt justice.
“Of course we have plans for another baby,” she says to the reporter, and she presses up against his arm. The glitter on her bodice leaves a smear of golden shimmer on his sleeve. “A little girl. Wouldn’t that be nice? It would complete us, don’t you think Harry?”
Her fingers press bruises into his forearm where they’ll be hidden by his robes. He hasn’t worn Muggle clothes or short sleeves in years – they’re beneath them, she says, and she doesn’t like the way they ride up; too afraid of what they’ll show. The last time he did, Hermione saw. She just rolled her eyes and told him to put them away; that no one wanted to know what sort of things he and Ginny were into.
“A little girl,” he repeats, thinking of the sons they’ve already had. Of James who’s pale and quiet and who looks at him with accusing eyes, and Albus who tries to hide bruises of his own behind clumsy, two-year-old lies. “Yeah. Perfect.”
She smiles at him, showing dimples that used to charm him, and pearly teeth that are sharper than they look. Her fingers ease up their pressure and start stroking instead, gentle lines across the inside of his wrist that leave burning trails that somehow hurt more than the bruises ever can. He swallows nausea and smiles back. An empty, dead smile that no one seems to see, and for a moment they are blindingly brilliant. Perfect.
Fake.
When he slips from her bed later, she’s asleep curled on her side with her head pillowed on an arm. She doesn’t like to wake with him there, and he doesn’t care to stay. He sleeps on a couch in the boys’ room, as if he can protect them somehow. He can’t, but he tries. He likes to think that he’ll always try, even if it’s not enough, because he wants to think that the reckless boy with the ‘saving people thing’ didn’t die with Voldemort.
He showers before he goes to them. He scalds himself with water before turning the knob so that the water is freezing instead. It burns just as badly, but it means that he’s clean. He doesn’t smell of her – he hates the smell of her: of green apple shampoo and sickening wet cunt – and he can’t feel her anymore. He stands beneath the spray for as long as he can bear it and when he climbs out his teeth are chattering from the cold and there are goosebumps all over his arms and legs.
There are bruises too, patterning his back and his arms and his arse; delicate and pointed like the fingers that made them. He doesn’t look at them in the mirror – doesn’t look at himself – and he likes to pretend that means he doesn’t know the exact map of them off by heart.
Harry has spent a long time pretending - “I’ll be in my bedroom, making no noise and pretending I’m not there” - a lifetime.
…
He sits behind his desk with his head in his hands and a headache throbbing in his temples. Ron’s laughter is ringing through their office as he talks to someone at the door and the scratches Ginny left on his thighs last night are itching under the heavy robes of his uniform and twisting his stomach with nausea.
He closes his eyes and tries to pretend – if just for a moment – that the scratches are from gardening or from one of his adventures, and that Ron’s laughter doesn’t grate over all of his remaining nerves. But peace doesn’t come. He can’t stop remembering. He can’t stop feeling her hands – such small hands, calloused from Quidditch and sharp-nailed – all over him. He wants it to stop. He needs it to stop.
He wants to disappear. He wants –
“Is this a bad time?”
He lifts his head slowly. A small, weedy man with brown curls and the official robes of a Ministry archivist is standing in front of his desk. Harry thinks he should be familiar – he knows he knows him from somewhere – but he can’t place him.
“No,” he says. “Take a seat.”
“Actually Auror Potter, you may want to have this conversation somewhere more private,” the man says. His voice is soft, but Harry can hear traces of an accent – long low vowels and skipped consonants – that sounds like he’s tried to bury it. He sounds uncomfortable, and Harry can hear Ron in the background; he’s no longer laughing.
“I haven’t had lunch yet,” Harry says. “Care to join me?”
He usually eats in the Ministry canteen, mechanically spooning slop-of-the-day into his mouth. Today he leads his mystery archivist through the Floo to the Leaky Cauldron and asks Hannah for a private room. It’ll be different, he thinks, and he catches sight of the look on Hannah’s face when she recognises his guest, and he realises that the man must have been in Slytherin.
People only ever look at Slytherins that way.
When they’ve ordered and closed the door, he looks again and wracks his brain for a name. Thestrals come to mind, and he remembers a pale, weedy Slytherin boy raising a trembling hand in Hagrid’s class and a conversation between Ron and Hermione.
“I wonder who Nott saw die…”
“Who cares? He’s just a bloody Slytherin. Creepy, Thestrals, aren’t they?”
Harry looks at Theodore Nott and decides that he hasn’t changed much since he was fifteen. He’s still small and weedy, and he’s still seen someone die. Harry wonder who it was, but he knows not to ask; too many people can see Thestrals now.
…
He collects James from Kreacher’s care. He trusts the Elf with his children more than he trusts his wife, but he’s still a relic of the House of Black. He doesn’t leave bruises on tender limbs or tracks of silent tears, but his legacy is more dangerous. Harry has managed to forget the viciousness of Kreacher’s previous wards – deliberately, perhaps, choosing to forget Sirius’ fixation on murder and revenge and the Dark Mark on Regulus’ arm – in favour of remembering the good in them.
He takes his eldest son away from his afternoon lessons and into the drawing room where he drops to his knees and wraps his arms around him. James is small and stiff in his arms; angry and resentful and broken, but stronger – Harry thinks – than his father has ever been.
“We’ve picked up traces of Dark magic, Auror Potter.”
He holds James close until the stiffness in his limbs subsides and he leans in close, pressing his face into Harry’s neck. Harry feels hot tears splash against his skin and he rubs his hand gently up and down James’ spine and tries to remember when he felt the kind of anger his son does. Third year, with Sirius, when he had the strength and the will and the hate to pin a grown man to the floor and aim his wand at his heart.
“I’m sorry,” he whispers. “I’m so sorry Jamie.”
“Specifically, the Unforgivables. One in particular. At first we hoped it might be an anomaly, but it appears that one of your children is practising the Killing Curse.”
He can’t blame James for this. He’s just a kid and it’s not his fault that he’s been raised in fear and hatred; that Harry is stupid enough to –
“This isn’t your fault, Potter.”
That what Harry has always wanted has been a family, and he’s wanted it enough to take what he’s been given. This sick parody of living. This noose of obligation and tradition, barbed with his best friends uncaring, unseeing callousness and the lingering memory of the Dursleys. None of it is James’ fault.
“Children are more than capable of the hatred necessary, Potter. People don’t like to think they are, but people don’t like to think about what goes on in houses like yours either. It still happens.”
James is too young to understand properly, that there could have been a time when Harry did love Ginny. A bright, long ago summer after Voldemort’s fall, when he’d seen her flying and allowed himself to think that he could be happy. He recognises now that the sudden jolt in his chest had been a love potion, slipped into his pumpkin juice – funny what you learn as an Auror – but at the time it had been a glorious, golden moment.
Fake. Like the moments they share now, in the public eye, with Ginny smiling on his arm and himself with all the purpose and charm of a corpse.
It’s funny what you learn as an Auror, and it’s funny how with hindsight, little things can seem so sinister. Fred and George’s shop, with its little heart-shaped bottles and the girls that giggled around them; spiked Cauldron Cakes on his bed and Ron’s dazed expression; a summer day where Mrs Weasley shared stories that drifted on the breeze – tales of love potions that echoed with triumph. He remembers Ginny and Hermione laughing, thinking nothing (everything) of what they heard, and he remembers thinking nothing of it himself.
He remembers the jolt of falling in love so vividly, right down to the way the condensation on the glass felt on his fingers, and he remembers waking up – years later – to the news that he was married and that Ginny wanted a baby and that “potions can hurt the baby if either parent is on them, so I can’t give you any more, but it doesn’t matter, does it? You love me, Harry, and the world loves the two of us together. We’re a family now.”
James is too young to know what rape is, but that’s okay. Before Ginny, Harry didn’t think a woman could rape a man, and while he loves his children dearly he can’t stand to think of how they were conceived.
When James stops crying, Harry pulls away. He brushes away tears and snot with the sleeve of his robes and tweaks his baby boy’s nose. He pulls out a wand, and with a flick, James is wearing a long-sleeved T-Shirt and a pair of jeans. Muggle clothes. Forbidden clothes.
“Come on,” Harry says. “Let’s get Al.”
He transfigures Al’s clothing and his own, and doesn’t let it show how much it bothers him when his boys spot the marks their mother has left behind. He orders Kreacher to pack a bag – just the essentials – and to lock up the house. Grimmauld Place is his, not Ginny’s, and she’ll not set foot in it again.
Nott had brought divorce papers to their meeting. He’d presented Harry with an option he hadn’t realised the Wizarding World offered. No one told him. Not even when they glimpsed the bruises or saw the bags under his eyes and the sullen silence of his children.
They’re leaving. They’re going to disappear together, him and his boys, and they’re going to be happy. They’re going to learn how – if they can; leave their pasts behind and teach themselves how to fly free. And one day, hopefully, they’ll do it.
“I watched my father kill my mother. Get out, Potter. Now. Before your children see the same.”
Author: Evandar
Rating: R
Pairings: Harry/Ginny
Warnings: Spousal and child abuse, rape, dark!Ginny
Disclaimer: Harry Potter characters are the property of J.K. Rowling and Bloomsbury/Scholastic. No profit is being made, and no copyright infringement is intended.
Summary: Funny how little things become sinister with hindsight. Harry really should have paid more attention to what Mrs Weasley taught her daughter about relationships – and what his relationship was doing to his children.
A/N: Thank you again to Sian for the beta. This was written as a pinch-hit for
hp_darkarts's 2014 Horror Fest for the prompt there’s an age old dictum that children from abusive households are more likely to fall in abusive relationships. Someone unexpected (Theodore Nott or Vincent Crabbe) helps Harry leave. This prompt took me far, far out of my comfort zone and triggered more than a few bad memories on the way, but turned out being extremely therapeutic to write. I hope I did the prompt justice.“Of course we have plans for another baby,” she says to the reporter, and she presses up against his arm. The glitter on her bodice leaves a smear of golden shimmer on his sleeve. “A little girl. Wouldn’t that be nice? It would complete us, don’t you think Harry?”
Her fingers press bruises into his forearm where they’ll be hidden by his robes. He hasn’t worn Muggle clothes or short sleeves in years – they’re beneath them, she says, and she doesn’t like the way they ride up; too afraid of what they’ll show. The last time he did, Hermione saw. She just rolled her eyes and told him to put them away; that no one wanted to know what sort of things he and Ginny were into.
“A little girl,” he repeats, thinking of the sons they’ve already had. Of James who’s pale and quiet and who looks at him with accusing eyes, and Albus who tries to hide bruises of his own behind clumsy, two-year-old lies. “Yeah. Perfect.”
She smiles at him, showing dimples that used to charm him, and pearly teeth that are sharper than they look. Her fingers ease up their pressure and start stroking instead, gentle lines across the inside of his wrist that leave burning trails that somehow hurt more than the bruises ever can. He swallows nausea and smiles back. An empty, dead smile that no one seems to see, and for a moment they are blindingly brilliant. Perfect.
Fake.
When he slips from her bed later, she’s asleep curled on her side with her head pillowed on an arm. She doesn’t like to wake with him there, and he doesn’t care to stay. He sleeps on a couch in the boys’ room, as if he can protect them somehow. He can’t, but he tries. He likes to think that he’ll always try, even if it’s not enough, because he wants to think that the reckless boy with the ‘saving people thing’ didn’t die with Voldemort.
He showers before he goes to them. He scalds himself with water before turning the knob so that the water is freezing instead. It burns just as badly, but it means that he’s clean. He doesn’t smell of her – he hates the smell of her: of green apple shampoo and sickening wet cunt – and he can’t feel her anymore. He stands beneath the spray for as long as he can bear it and when he climbs out his teeth are chattering from the cold and there are goosebumps all over his arms and legs.
There are bruises too, patterning his back and his arms and his arse; delicate and pointed like the fingers that made them. He doesn’t look at them in the mirror – doesn’t look at himself – and he likes to pretend that means he doesn’t know the exact map of them off by heart.
Harry has spent a long time pretending - “I’ll be in my bedroom, making no noise and pretending I’m not there” - a lifetime.
…
He sits behind his desk with his head in his hands and a headache throbbing in his temples. Ron’s laughter is ringing through their office as he talks to someone at the door and the scratches Ginny left on his thighs last night are itching under the heavy robes of his uniform and twisting his stomach with nausea.
He closes his eyes and tries to pretend – if just for a moment – that the scratches are from gardening or from one of his adventures, and that Ron’s laughter doesn’t grate over all of his remaining nerves. But peace doesn’t come. He can’t stop remembering. He can’t stop feeling her hands – such small hands, calloused from Quidditch and sharp-nailed – all over him. He wants it to stop. He needs it to stop.
He wants to disappear. He wants –
“Is this a bad time?”
He lifts his head slowly. A small, weedy man with brown curls and the official robes of a Ministry archivist is standing in front of his desk. Harry thinks he should be familiar – he knows he knows him from somewhere – but he can’t place him.
“No,” he says. “Take a seat.”
“Actually Auror Potter, you may want to have this conversation somewhere more private,” the man says. His voice is soft, but Harry can hear traces of an accent – long low vowels and skipped consonants – that sounds like he’s tried to bury it. He sounds uncomfortable, and Harry can hear Ron in the background; he’s no longer laughing.
“I haven’t had lunch yet,” Harry says. “Care to join me?”
He usually eats in the Ministry canteen, mechanically spooning slop-of-the-day into his mouth. Today he leads his mystery archivist through the Floo to the Leaky Cauldron and asks Hannah for a private room. It’ll be different, he thinks, and he catches sight of the look on Hannah’s face when she recognises his guest, and he realises that the man must have been in Slytherin.
People only ever look at Slytherins that way.
When they’ve ordered and closed the door, he looks again and wracks his brain for a name. Thestrals come to mind, and he remembers a pale, weedy Slytherin boy raising a trembling hand in Hagrid’s class and a conversation between Ron and Hermione.
“I wonder who Nott saw die…”
“Who cares? He’s just a bloody Slytherin. Creepy, Thestrals, aren’t they?”
Harry looks at Theodore Nott and decides that he hasn’t changed much since he was fifteen. He’s still small and weedy, and he’s still seen someone die. Harry wonder who it was, but he knows not to ask; too many people can see Thestrals now.
…
He collects James from Kreacher’s care. He trusts the Elf with his children more than he trusts his wife, but he’s still a relic of the House of Black. He doesn’t leave bruises on tender limbs or tracks of silent tears, but his legacy is more dangerous. Harry has managed to forget the viciousness of Kreacher’s previous wards – deliberately, perhaps, choosing to forget Sirius’ fixation on murder and revenge and the Dark Mark on Regulus’ arm – in favour of remembering the good in them.
He takes his eldest son away from his afternoon lessons and into the drawing room where he drops to his knees and wraps his arms around him. James is small and stiff in his arms; angry and resentful and broken, but stronger – Harry thinks – than his father has ever been.
“We’ve picked up traces of Dark magic, Auror Potter.”
He holds James close until the stiffness in his limbs subsides and he leans in close, pressing his face into Harry’s neck. Harry feels hot tears splash against his skin and he rubs his hand gently up and down James’ spine and tries to remember when he felt the kind of anger his son does. Third year, with Sirius, when he had the strength and the will and the hate to pin a grown man to the floor and aim his wand at his heart.
“I’m sorry,” he whispers. “I’m so sorry Jamie.”
“Specifically, the Unforgivables. One in particular. At first we hoped it might be an anomaly, but it appears that one of your children is practising the Killing Curse.”
He can’t blame James for this. He’s just a kid and it’s not his fault that he’s been raised in fear and hatred; that Harry is stupid enough to –
“This isn’t your fault, Potter.”
That what Harry has always wanted has been a family, and he’s wanted it enough to take what he’s been given. This sick parody of living. This noose of obligation and tradition, barbed with his best friends uncaring, unseeing callousness and the lingering memory of the Dursleys. None of it is James’ fault.
“Children are more than capable of the hatred necessary, Potter. People don’t like to think they are, but people don’t like to think about what goes on in houses like yours either. It still happens.”
James is too young to understand properly, that there could have been a time when Harry did love Ginny. A bright, long ago summer after Voldemort’s fall, when he’d seen her flying and allowed himself to think that he could be happy. He recognises now that the sudden jolt in his chest had been a love potion, slipped into his pumpkin juice – funny what you learn as an Auror – but at the time it had been a glorious, golden moment.
Fake. Like the moments they share now, in the public eye, with Ginny smiling on his arm and himself with all the purpose and charm of a corpse.
It’s funny what you learn as an Auror, and it’s funny how with hindsight, little things can seem so sinister. Fred and George’s shop, with its little heart-shaped bottles and the girls that giggled around them; spiked Cauldron Cakes on his bed and Ron’s dazed expression; a summer day where Mrs Weasley shared stories that drifted on the breeze – tales of love potions that echoed with triumph. He remembers Ginny and Hermione laughing, thinking nothing (everything) of what they heard, and he remembers thinking nothing of it himself.
He remembers the jolt of falling in love so vividly, right down to the way the condensation on the glass felt on his fingers, and he remembers waking up – years later – to the news that he was married and that Ginny wanted a baby and that “potions can hurt the baby if either parent is on them, so I can’t give you any more, but it doesn’t matter, does it? You love me, Harry, and the world loves the two of us together. We’re a family now.”
James is too young to know what rape is, but that’s okay. Before Ginny, Harry didn’t think a woman could rape a man, and while he loves his children dearly he can’t stand to think of how they were conceived.
When James stops crying, Harry pulls away. He brushes away tears and snot with the sleeve of his robes and tweaks his baby boy’s nose. He pulls out a wand, and with a flick, James is wearing a long-sleeved T-Shirt and a pair of jeans. Muggle clothes. Forbidden clothes.
“Come on,” Harry says. “Let’s get Al.”
He transfigures Al’s clothing and his own, and doesn’t let it show how much it bothers him when his boys spot the marks their mother has left behind. He orders Kreacher to pack a bag – just the essentials – and to lock up the house. Grimmauld Place is his, not Ginny’s, and she’ll not set foot in it again.
Nott had brought divorce papers to their meeting. He’d presented Harry with an option he hadn’t realised the Wizarding World offered. No one told him. Not even when they glimpsed the bruises or saw the bags under his eyes and the sullen silence of his children.
They’re leaving. They’re going to disappear together, him and his boys, and they’re going to be happy. They’re going to learn how – if they can; leave their pasts behind and teach themselves how to fly free. And one day, hopefully, they’ll do it.
“I watched my father kill my mother. Get out, Potter. Now. Before your children see the same.”
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Date: 2014-05-19 10:15 pm (UTC)From:James is definitely creepy here, and little Al so sad, and that's kind of based on RL which may or may not make it worse depending on your POV. James' actions came as a bit of a twist. I'd written the first part and put the fic aside, and then BAM! James practising the Killing Curse with help from Kreacher. It had to be done.
That said, one of the things that freaked me out the most about canon (secondary to the summary execution of Barty Crouch Jr) was the way that love potions - essentially date-rape drugs - are treated as something of a joke.
I had to get him out. I really, honestly, couldn't leave him in there.
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Date: 2014-05-20 02:51 pm (UTC)From:Kreacher - no moral compass, but always loyal. I kind of like him.
The more one thinks about it, the more scary those potions get, yeah. I mean Ron was obvious, after all he was overdosed, but a normal dose?
But it's not just love potion. The whole concept of free will gets infringed on often. Confundus seems to be a "common" spell.
Thank you. :D
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Date: 2014-05-20 04:48 pm (UTC)From:Ron was disturbing - and the way it was played for laughs (especially in the movie) was creepy. But it's the more subtle things for me. The conversation that Mrs Weasley has with Ginny and Hermione, casually referenced in the fourth book, where they're giggling about love potions, or even the fact that the Weasley twins get away with selling them in a joke shop...Yick.
Confundus, Imperius, love potions... to an extent Obliviate if you consider Hermione's parents and any witnesses of magical activity. The magical world is terrible when it comes to consent.
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Date: 2014-05-23 10:39 am (UTC)From:To be fair I always thought that the love potions have different degrees of potentcy and that Ron's case was actually very very unusual, because overdosed that bad.
But I agree, at which point it starts being rape? How much can a victim still decide fo themselves?
Definitely horrible. The worst case was that poor muggle family at the World Cup. Who would ever consenst to such spells?
The interesting thing is also, that wizards seem to be kind of immune.Even the Imperius, the worst, doesn't work without fail and the changes in Bagshot (?) when she was hit by Voldemort with the Obliviate were descriped has immense. I wonder, though, if Muggle have the same protection - or side effects.
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Date: 2014-05-23 12:35 pm (UTC)From:Yeah, I think that Ron was definitely overdosed and that the ones sold in the Weasleys' shop weren't very strong ones, but still. An overdose of anything is dangerous, and - as we saw in canon - very easy to make happen. I think that it would become rape - or dub-con, at the very least - the moment you gave someone the potion. They're under the influence of a drug, so they can't give explicit, informed, and continuous consent. YMMV on that, though. Weaker love potions could act in a similar way to reasonable amounts of alcohol.
Which begs the point, should these things be sold without an age-limit?The World Cup was horrible. The man running the campsite would have been so, horribly confused. Not to mention, we know from Lockhart that the effects of the Obliviate can be horribly permanent, and the wizards at the World Cup just throw it around like it's nothing, completely discounting the myriad diseases that can cause memory loss. So yeah, happy thought. That guy was probably diagnosed (wrongly) with something afterwards. Hooray for magic-induced brain damage, don't worry about the consequences.
Perhaps magic creates a natural, albeit minor, resistance to other peoples' spells, but to make it effective you need a combination of inherent magical power and willpower. A Muggle might have the willpower, but not the magical power; a Squib would be better off - they do seem to have some sort of magical reserve within them (which allows them to see Dementors and Hogwarts etc.) but no way to properly access it.
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Date: 2014-05-24 07:16 pm (UTC)From:Kreacher was a welcomed suprise. It made me fall in love with HP a bit more, when I didn't think it possible anymore.
Strong dubcon, definitely. I like the comparison with alcohol, though who says there isn't? After all, they did smuggle alcohol into Hogwarts too.
True. Maybe also a training effect is involved, because wizard and witches are hit nearly constantly with some spells, curses, etc.
The squib thing is interesting though, just how much do they see? Because I thought Mrs. Fick couldn't see the Dementors.
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Date: 2014-05-24 11:35 pm (UTC)From:Kreacher's development is mind-blowing. For me, he was one of the best parts of HBP, and he's one of the reasons why I really like Deathly Hallows. He's just glorious.
I think I just assumed, since the joke shop's target market is made up of children - Hogwarts students - and there's no mention of anything bar the Trace being used as proof of age. Then again, we know Butterbeer's alcoholic, and they can buy that no problem 13+, so maybe the substance laws in the wizarding world are different from Muggle ones.
Mrs Figg being able to see Dementors was the whole reason why she was called in to testify at Harry's trial. Admittedly, she was questioned about it as if the Wizengamot were unsure Squibs could see Dementors - in which case, it's probably a sign of ignorance caused by prejudice - but she can. Filch can definitely see Hogwarts even though a Muggle couldn't, and he takes a course that's supposed to 'bring out his magic' and make him a wizard. So it does stand to reason that they have some sort of magical core/ability, but no way to access it. It could be something like Naruto's chakra systems, which depend on channels or pathways to move the chakra - meaning that Squibs are like Rock Lee, who has badly formed pathways - or it could be something else. Who knows? Again, not explained in canon.
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Date: 2014-05-28 10:10 am (UTC)From:The house that I found worst portrayed is Hufflepuff. It seems to be stuck with "useless" and "background" and it remains here for most of the time. The only exception is Cedric Diggory - who promptly dies.
Responsibility seems to be a lot different than in the Muggle world, now that I think off. For example, if you use magic 3 times you can be expelled. That's quite harsh.
On the other hand, if you curse someone within Hogwarts you lose a few points at most.
It seems that because magic can repair most bodily damages, they regard these less offensive than other things. So the question is, why should they regulare alcohol as strict as muggles, if no one will die (Madam Pomfrey probably needs a single wave of her wand), and the damages can be repaired within a night?
I like the comparison with Naruto. Harry didn't think highly of the Kwikspell Course, and usually all seem to agree, because it's assumed that Filch has no magic. But actually it was never really mentioned if it helped or not. Even a little increase could've made a huge difference for Filch.
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Date: 2014-05-28 04:41 pm (UTC)From:For Slytherin...we aren't really introduced to any of them outside of Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle (except a few, throwaway lines about Pansy, which show her as ugly and mean (possibly Gryffindor prejudice) and Bulstrode (big and ugly)) until Blaise Zabini in HBP. Then we find out he's a handsome bigot with a serial killer mother. For the most part, I'm cool with that (I mean, serial killer mother? Awesome). But why the emphasis on the bigotry? Really, why was that necessary? Why not make him an Arithmancy genius or an infamous introvert or anything except a Malfoy clone/potential Death Eater? The Slytherin=Death Eater thing annoyed the hell out of me.
Hufflepuffs definitely got it rough as well. The only one (aside from Cedric, who was supposed to be some sort of Hufflepuff definition) that stands out at all is Zacharias Smith. And...he's a dick. Or, at least, that's what the Harry POV of the series made him out to be. IMO, there had to be one person in the school who wasn't a mini!Death Eater or a Harry fan.
Basically, then, they're given little responsibility for their actions because magic fixes everything...except for the things it doesn't fix, in which case, they're screwed because they haven't learned any better.
The reaction towards that course did seem rather scathing. It was possibly some sort of fraud, but that didn't seem to be the focus of the mockery (to me, at least). Instead, it was that a Squib would try and better himself, which...fits right in with the rest of the prejudice in the wizarding world.
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Date: 2014-05-28 08:36 pm (UTC)From:I saw Draco, Crabbe and Goyle as a counterweight to the Golden Trio. Pansy is described as ugly? I had her in mind as prettier than most. Ok, I looked it up. It seems Harry describes her as "pug faced", but Rita Skeeter describer her as "pretty". In all probability she is pretty and it was just Harry's prejudieces.
Well, we also had Tracey Davis mentioned and Daphne Greengrass. That is already nearly the complete year.
Blaise mother was awesome, but yeah, I would've loved to see a bit more variability within the Slytherin characters and not another shady, prejudiced man that is supposed to be sneaky and clever and all about power, but follows Voldemort like a dog.
Harry didn't have a favourable perception of many of his comrades, did he? Zacharias I wouldn't have remembered. There was Hannah Abbott, I think, but she was just in the background. Ernie McMillian? And Justin Finch-Fletchey.
The only one with a bit of backstory I can remember is Susan Bones. And that bit was more about her Aunt.
Hufflepuff with the values of kindness, fairness, tolerance. They are essentially the good guys. I guess, that makes them boring.
Basically, yes. Curses are treated awfully normal.
Exactly. :| It says a lot how downright terrified Filch was, that this had been discovered. Looking back, it's no wonder. He's helpless but tasked with enforcing rules within a school of armed teenagers. I would be terrified to.
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Date: 2014-05-28 09:53 pm (UTC)From:Hannah's in the background, he only remembers Susan for her aunt, Justin is the kid who gets petrified, and Ernie's pompous. So. Yeah. No, Harry doesn't have much of an opinion of them - but as you said, Hufflepuffs are the boring nice guys so no one cares.
What I would have liked to see was a bit more political variation within the Houses. I mean, you did get people in Gryffindor who initially believed the Prophet and the Ministry instead of Harry in OotP, but there's no mentioned pureblood supremacy or Death Eater supporters in any other House than Slytherin (except for Pettigrew). Setting the good/bad lines along the House lines is just...disappointing.
That scene was horrible. The wizards were just so condescending about it, while Filch was simultaneously frightened and angry about the invasion of privacy. His job is awful. All we get from Harry is that he's a horrible person - but he's the one unarmed man in a school full of armed teenagers who uniformly don't like him. No wonder he's unpleasant.
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Date: 2014-05-30 06:17 pm (UTC)From:Noticeable that are all character traits the other 3 houses do not endorse.
Considering that Harry didn't even really care about Dean, who he shared a room with for 6 years...
Very true. You mentioned Pettigrew and there is one pet peeve with time travel stories - so far I haven't found a single one that touched upon Pettigrew's motivation beyond "jealousy". Some even downright write him as if he doesn't exist, others just put him so much into the backgorund that they mention him every 20 chapters. But at one time he must've been a good, very good friend, loyal, brave.
I always wondered how someone from Gryffindor could be reduced to a frightened wizard that fears nearly everyone.
Yes. It must be terrifying to be Filch. Better to be feared than to be jinxed and cursed and something every second day.
I really do not think he's a horrible person. He clearly loves his cat, protects the students (book 7) and seems more bark than bite. Personally, I love the rumours with shackles and corporal punishment. Very effective. ;)
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Date: 2014-05-30 08:02 pm (UTC)From:Yeah, Harry made friends with Hermione and the Weasleys and pretty much everyone else in the school could go to hell. He made zero effort to branch out - we don't even hear about class projects where he has to work with people not in his House - and make other friends. For someone who was so eager to have them in the first book, he doesn't seem all that bothered for the rest of the series.
OMG, yes. That...yes. I mean, we know what happened to him - or, at least, how he ended up - but there's nothing out there to show how. I'd love to see that. It's what makes me go back to time travel fics every so often. But the way that he's written, if he's written at all, kind of makes you wonder why on earth James, Sirius and Remus would be friends with him in the first place.
I'd love to see a time travel fic where Harry goes back and ends up actually liking Peter. Having a crisis of conscience about it, sure, but actually finding him to be a cool guy and making friends with him. But no. They're all about him dyeing his hair, becoming a prankster and banging Sirius, Remus or Snape. :/
I agree that Filch's bark is definitely worse than his bite, and that - if you take away the threats - he's just a lonely, frightened man trying to do his job to the best of his ability.
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Date: 2014-06-06 05:31 pm (UTC)From:Okay. Lucifer is a Hufflepuff. XD Carry on, mind, carry on.
True, loyalty is important, but I think a Death Eater might have problems with kindness.
I think the next best House for Death Eater besides Slytherin is probably Ravenclaw. There is a reason why the pursuit of knowledge often ends in tragedy.
Also Gryffindor. Aren't Death Eaters brave after all?
True. Kind of logical from the aspect of being an author, but still... even Hermione had in the end more outside contact than Harry. It was Hermione and Ron that founded DA, NOT Harry. He was just their marketing tool. XD
Exactly. Why on earth would they be? Maybe because he was genuinely funny and kind. Maybe because he was loyal. Maybe, he turned form them because they pranked him a few times just as cruelly as Snape and thought nothing of it.
Or maybe, he was forced to become a Death Eater. He has never returned to his family, I think they're dead. Who killed them?
I have once read one, where he was friendly with Peter, but never friends.
Yeah, I so don't understand why Harry would become a Marauder. He was never into pranks. He would probably find them mildly amusing, and the worse ones just horrible.
Now I want to write a time-travel fanfic. Again. I have so much stuff to do. XD
That makes him suddenly really sympathic. Would be great to explore during a time travel fanfic as well. Who is Filch? And maybe, protect him from students.
Say, anything to do during the summer? We could write one together. XD
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Date: 2014-06-06 10:39 pm (UTC)From:I think it depends on what the Death Eater was being kind to. Regulus doesn't seem to have had a problem with being kind - at least to Kreacher - and he can't have been the only one. The Death Eaters are (should be) more nuanced than they are in canon, and they can definitely come from any House. All of the Houses have qualities that Voldemort would find valuable for different reasons.
They were prefects by that point, though, so they would have got to meet people at prefects meetings. But yeah. Harry is pretty antisocial. Hangover from the Dursleys?
We find out in Book 3 that his mother was alive when he faked his death, because they gave her his finger and an Order of Merlin. That's the only real hint that we get about his family or background (outside of the Marauders) at all. He's very underdeveloped. You're probably right about the others picking on him without realising how bad it was. What we know of James and Sirius as teenagers doesn't paint them in a good light (though there were background reasons for it, undoubtedly, that even Peter may not have been fully aware of - I don't think Sirius would have told his friends about everything that happened to him at home) and Remus would probably have ignored it rather than stand up to them.
It's entirely possible that, towards the end of their time at Hogwarts, Peter was just as afraid of his friends as he was anyone else. After all, at least one of them had proved themselves capable of murder, and the others did forgive him.
It's also worth mentioning that Harry was horrified by what he saw in Snape's penseive. He risked a lot contacting Sirius and Remus in order to confront them over it - and he didn't think 'we were young' was a suitable excuse either. He didn't want his Dad to have been like Dudley. So yeah. Marauder!Harry is a no.
Filch is possibly not his real name. If he was disowned for not having magic, then he may have changed it - does Harry ever see him on the Map?
So. I'm not really doing anything this summer except work and a few fests. A time travel collaboration sounds like it could be wonderful. XD
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Date: 2014-06-11 06:40 pm (UTC)From:Funnily though there seem to be really no Hufflepuff Death Eater. Somewhere in the books they say that Hufflepuff has never produced a Dark Wizard.
Well, despite the many fanfictions that speak of abuse in Slytherin, I think the majority of the families there aren't abusive at all. Blaise speaks fondly of his mother, and the Malfoys clearly put their son above power. Still, I want one Ravenclaw Death Eater (maybe Rookwood?). And one competent Gryffindor Death Eater as well. Not one, where you only feel pity the longer you look.
True. Probably yes, actually. The treatment of the Dursleys would have stunted his social skills a lot, and probably gave him an inclination to trust only a few people. The later years at Hogwarts certainly didn't help. We can assume that he kept himself aloof deliberately.
Ah, good catch on that detail! :D Though it implies that at least his father is dead.
Sirius probably didn't but then I don't think there homelife was that bad. Yeah, it turned horrible when Sirius rebelled, but still his room looked very well, his brother was ready to do a lot for the family and usually absued children don't turn into overconfident flirters. Though we could say, that he went with the rebel/ bad boy as a compensation, but still... He was just to self-confident. If any of the 4 was abused, my money is on Peter.
Yeah, I bet that the friendship wasn't a real two-way street.
Also, Harry has been abused, and everything in his life has taught him to stay in the shadows. At least as much as possible.
Good thing, that you mention the pensieve. Harry risked a lot... and I think interestingly that he realised that in many ways his father was like Dudley. Which makes the scene, when he last sees Dudley at the beginning of book 7 even more important.
I think Harry mentioned Filch's name on the map in book 2, yes.And in the movie it was there as well.
I have work work work. XD But hey, I need to write anyway.
I would love to try a collaboration with you. :) So far we seem to have the absolute same interest in the theme and I really would love to give that cliché a new spin. Because, let's face it, most time travel stories don't even reach 10k.